Yeahp a little confusing well i pretty much took the same sony player back to walmart which i bought at target for 50$ i got 10$ and a newer model of the same 4gb player in red So i got a 100$ player for 40$ :mrgreen: well the sound modifications on this thing are epic even with its included headphones (Plugs up 250$+ Yammahas) will brb Well my yammahas just wont work well since they need more amplification but the stock earphones are great and listening to arena vpt is pretty wicked now where are my sweet ass phillips headphones!!! :cry: